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« Odgovori #105 u: 06. 08. 2013. 22:49:15 »
Danas cu vijediti Stewarta pa cu mozda od njega dobiti jos koji detailj. Znam da mu je prodaja slaba i spora zbog cijene i
 uskog polja interesa za ove optike jer se ipak radi o grupi od oko 450 strelaca u benchrest takmicenjima na svim nivoima. Tu su naravno i ostali igraci. Koliko znam najveci problemi su bili odrzavanje Point of impact na svim povecanjima i nekoliko optika je otislo nazad na provjeru.  Dobio sam prije par mjeseci jedan 1-6x24 novi Optisan model za test a imam i Vortex razor 1-6x24 pa sam uporedio i Optisan je patio od tih problema. Razor je super i prava opcija za vas tip pogonskog lova sa 9.3x62. Fixni parallax na optikama velikog zooma mora imati pametno odredjenu distancu inace s povecanjem je slika muti ili ocisti. isto tako pozicija centra koncanice se ne smije pomjeriti na razlicitim povecanjima. To se moze lako provjeriti na strelistu. Isto tako mozes na meti oznaciti velicinu 1 MOA ili 2 MOA i onda vidjeti na kojem povecanji se debljina linije koncanice poklopi sa oznacenim prostorom an meti. Ima dovoljno materijala za igranje.

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« Odgovori #106 u: 08. 08. 2013. 08:48:25 »
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TIKKA T3 koliko kod Vas u Sloveniji je cijena u eurima modela Deon March F 3x-24x42mm MOA FFP Zoom
Rifle Scope ?

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« Odgovori #107 u: 08. 08. 2013. 09:13:50 »
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TIKKA T3 HVALA NA INFORMACIJI !

Gorane čini mi se da osim Zeissa uskoro nitko više i neće raditi Zoom x4. Što kažeš na ovo ?

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Departments | 1/12-30 Weapon Mountable Optical Gunsights

1/12-30 Weapon Mountable Optical Gunsights
1/12x30 Aircraft Aluminum Crusader Gunsight Specifications:

    Magnification/Zoom Range: 1-12 power
    Primary Objective Diameter: 30mm
    Ocular Lens Diameter: 28mm
    Field of View: 95.5-7.2
    Exit Pupil Diameter: 12.5-3.1
    Weight: 1 lb. 2 oz.
    Total Optical Lenses: 16
    Lens Construction: Proprietary-Hi Flourite Leaded 99.997 % Pure Optical Glass, -230-+485°F stable Bertrillium-Zantitium™ multicoated optics on both primary, secondary & interior lens groups.
    Mounting Length: 7.4"
    Focusing Mechanism: Ocular adjustable for individual vision reqs. Parallax free from 8 feet at 1 power to infinity at 12 power.
    Eye Relief in Inches: 6.25"-3.5"
    Water/Vapor proofing & Decontamination Standard: Internally pressurized, Viton Sealed, MilSpec Immersion Tested, Autoclavable Decon OK
    Reticle: TDRM, Rear Focal plane Tri Illuminated Red/Green/Black
    Tube Diameter: 30mm/1.18"
    Ocular Tube Diameter: 38mm
    Metal Finish: MilSpec Covert Black Ano Matte Hardcoat
    Diopter Range of Adjustment: -3-+2
    Windage Range: ±78.5
    Elevation Range: ±78.5
    Click Value: 0.5 moa"
    Length Overall: 11.7"
    Structure: Forged T6161 Aircraft Aluminum Alloy Covert Black Anodized Body 30mm Milled 1 pc SquareSaddle Tube
    Fogproofing/VaporSealing: Proprietary rare earth/nitrogen/argon gas purged, hard earth sealed
    Light Transmission MultiCoating: 24 step vacuum Bertrillium-Zantitium™ multicoating
    AntiScratch Coatings: TitaniStar 68 Rockwell AntiScratch coating, both primary & ocular lenses
    InfraRed band Filter Coating: InfraShield proprietary Daylight InfraRed spectrum blocker for rays 685nm and higher
    Water/Vapor sheeting Coating: CSO HydroShear Moisture Displacement Coating
    AntiStatic/DustDisplacement Treatment: CSO DustCaster IonCharge
    Illuminated Retical: Tri-Color Red, Green, Black Variable Intensity

1x-12x by 30mm, 30mm body, 30mm Primary Objective, PermaLax™ optics provide razor focus as depth of field expands with zoom range. IR Invisible Type 3 Hardcoat Anodized Body and Rings (Titanium),MIL Spec Anodized in T6061 Aircraft Aluminum. Patent Pending Lockable Turrets, Proprietary-230-+485°F stable Bertrillium-Zantitium™ multicoated optics for dusk/dawn/shadow enhanced transmissivity, with proprietary HydroShear™ water/ice displacement coating, DustCaster™ Ion-charge for ant-static dust displacement, InfraShield™ IR spectrum filtering coating, TitaniStar™ 68 Rockwell Mil-spec antiscratch coating. Titanium 1-12 versions feature aspheric hybrid primary and secondary lens groups, Aircraft Aluminum features Extra Low Dispersion apochromatic lenses. Proprietary rare earth/nitrogen gas purged, hard earth sealed, Variable Tri-Color Illuminated, TDRM Tactical Distance Ranging Mildot .25-1.0 Milliradian Marked rear plane reticles, 5000g test - Lifetime Unconditional Warranted in Titanium, Limited Lifetime Warranty in Aluminum. May be US Gov. Property Marked, Night Vision and Video Vision Compatible, Export Prohibited. LIMITED availability of initial contract/eval/designate production runs, Aluminum only, may show minor mounting marks.Contract Overruns carry a 10 yr. manufacturer warranty.

 PDF Specification Sheet
   DOH320
Titanium Series 1-12X30    $6161.95    
   DOH385
Aluminum Crusader 1-12x30    $2834.95    
   DOH373
*CONTRACT OVERRUN* CSO Aluminum Series 1-12x30 (does not come with rings)      $681.95    

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« Odgovori #108 u: 08. 08. 2013. 21:55:29 »
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« Odgovori #109 u: 08. 08. 2013. 23:22:53 »
Kod nas je jeftinije ali je opet skupo makar meni se tako cini.
Cak i Optisan ima 6x zoom u proizvodnji vec godinu dvije! Njihov model 1-6x24 sa zelenom i crvenom iluminacijom je u ducanu AUD $ 695.00. Naravno da je to tesko prediti sa March kvalitetom ali cijena je drasticno razlicita.
Kad bi kupovao u toj klasi radje bi kupio S&B 10-42x56 ili slicno nego March jednostavno zbog provjerenosti mehanizma, zadrzane vrijednosti proizvoda kasnije ako ga zelis prodati nekom drugom. NF ( Nightforce) BEAST ili ATARC novi modeli su dobri ali su ispod kvalitete navedenih iako su dobro skupi- po meni bezrazlozno skupi. NF nastavlja slikati probusen nisan iz Avganistana koji je navodno nastavio raditi i time potvrdjuje kvalitetu i slavu. S&B  novi model 3-27x56 PM2 je fantastican iako sam ga samo malkice vidio- medjutim raporti svakodnevnih korisnika potvrdjuju da se S&B  potrudio da vrati dio slave i tehnoloske prednosti kao i drzavne ugovore za svoje proizvode koje je prije izgubio od NF. Leupold se bacio na masu i time izgubio primat ali dobio volumen. Sa Redfield pokriju donji dio trzista koje nikad nisu imali i stvar skoro gotova jer je njihova globalna dominacija evidentna i uhodana. Ipak Kinezi ih sad kopiraju jer ih i rade za njih tako da Leupold sad ima vise modela na trzistu nego sto ih ima u katalogu. Laznjaci svako malo isplivaju kao i neka druga slavna imena kao Trijicon, Elcan, Aimpoint itd..
 IOR bi mogao biti ozbiljan ali ima firmu punu kretena i jedini dio koji znao posao su zapravo opticki strucnjaci i radnici a uprava je truba. Nesto slicno kao i PPU na sajmu u Las Vegasu: sjede poluspavaju i ne ustaju kad musterije pridju, cesu jaja, neobrijani u izguzvanim odjelima sa kravatama masnim od hrane i ostacima hrane po stolu nakon rucka na standu tako da im niko nije ni prilazio. Steta nisu mogli zapalit bas na standu.
Da se vratim na temu: mislim da je 10x  tehnologija jos malo klimava i spora za proizvodnju a cijene su tu da naznace novosti i da se ugrabi profit na novitetima sto nije nista cudno niti novo. Za moj shvatanje ipak optika predominantno za takmicenja i benchrest i tako bi ih i tretirao. Ima puno drugih opcija jer trziste je ostro i Evropljani su vec u vrucoj vodi jer gube tradicionalnu dominaciju.

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« Odgovori #110 u: 09. 08. 2013. 09:06:46 »
Optičko tržišta bez lovačkog dijela tržišta je dosta usko područje. Bench rest takmičenja su ipak mali krug strijelaca i takmičara od čega  puno njih puca provjerenom optikom i ne želi skupe eksperimente. Evo sinoć sam razgovarao s jednim prijateljem iz Francuske ,velikim lovcem , i odličnim poznavateljem optike on za Deon March Scopes nije nikada ni čuo. Proizvodnja im je mala i koristi ih uzak krug ljudi. Deon March optika je puno ljepše dizajnirana, lakša je težinom od sličnih modela a kvaliteta im je neupitan To ipak nije dovoljno da se postane "veliki igrač".
Interesira me je li točno da Counter Sniper tj. kinezi Visionking (mislim da je to kineski proizvod) imaju povećanje 1-12x30 ili je to neistina i optička izmišljotina.
Ako Swarovski izbaci Zoom x12 stati će optički svijet a divljač će imati čast da bude pogođena tim optičkim čudom.
Ipak ostaje jedno pitanje: Jesu li dakle kinezi prvi izbacili i patentirali zoom x12 ili je to napravio netko drugi ili to još uvijek nije nitko napravio.
 
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/visionking/product-detailSvMnUBHjLahs/China-Visionking-1-12X30-Military-Tactical-Mil-DOT-Range-Finder-12-Time-Zoom-30mm-Rifle-Scope-New.html


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« Odgovori #111 u: 09. 08. 2013. 12:18:03 »
ja bi reko da lovci i nisu nesto narocito za proizvodjace , kod optika za pusku se i nesto toga proda kod dvogleda neigraju nikakvu ulogu , najveci dio trzista su zeleni i i ornitolozi
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« Odgovori #112 u: 09. 08. 2013. 12:23:08 »
Ja bi se ipak radje drzao Zeiss za lov, sa njim imam odlicno iskustvo iako nije velika razlika u cijeni sa tim Deon March.

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« Odgovori #113 u: 20. 06. 2014. 19:56:07 »
Prije par dana konacno dosla i moja. Evo par slika.

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« Odgovori #114 u: 20. 06. 2014. 19:58:17 »
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« Odgovori #115 u: 20. 06. 2014. 20:03:36 »
2.5-25x52 MIL model, MML koncanica

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« Odgovori #116 u: 20. 06. 2014. 20:46:25 »
Zgodna stvarčica za trpanje rupe u rupu na 200 metara, a može poslužiti i za čeku, hao hao.
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« Odgovori #117 u: 20. 06. 2014. 20:54:28 »
Zgodna stvarčica za trpanje rupe u rupu na 200 metara, a može poslužiti i za čeku, hao hao.

200?!  Nemres s tim preko 130!

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razumijem da ti stvarno voliš marcha, ali stanje u svetu je takvo kakvo je: march je loša optika za ove novce i večina ljudi se je izbegava. u taktičkome svijetu march praktički ne postoji, makar ima nešto FFP optika.
možda je istina da si ti u pravu i čitavi streljski svijet u pogrešnome, ali ja vjerujem da je obrnuto.
krivo je pisati da je to ferrari, jer imaju drugi jednaka stakla i puno bolju mehaniku. i to testovi i statistica potvrduje.
i 10× zoom... nije loše, ali to znači puno stakla i slika tamnija jer manji što je zoom svetlija je slika (najsvetlija kod fixnih povečava za lov), a za gledati trpiju oči. tačno zato je optički puno bolji nightforce 15-55 (3,7× zoom) nego march 8-80 (10× zoom). ovo su fizikalne činjenice.
//možda vse ove postove o marchu bolje ovo prebaciti u temu o marchu//



Marko2 Marko koji u to optički ciljnici u svijetu bolji od npr. modela koji ima 20 stručnih kontrola prije nego se pusti u prodaju - Pogledaj optičke parametre optičkog coljnika Deon March I5-42x56mm High Master Wide Angle  i usporedi ga s drugima u svom rangu????

Neču navijačku priču u moju butigu i što su rekli američki forumaši koji nikada nisu ni vidjeli ovu optiku i zavisna konkurencija koja škrguće zubima. Želim vidjeti stručne parametre i streljačke rekorde drugih optika.

- Deon March I5-42x56mm High Master Wide Angle with total elevation of 40MIL(equivalent to 135MOA).

As in our previous post, Deon (manufacturer of March Scopes) will be showing 4 new/updated rifle scopes at SHOT Show 2020.
Two of these scopes are now in production; the
- 5-42X56 FFP High Master Wide Angle and the
- 4-40X52 FFP GENESIS.
The other two are concept models of upcoming scopes; a
- 1.5-15X42 SFP Compact and a
- 4.5-28X52 FFP High Master Wide Angle.
Now we have another concept model coming up !
- The new concept model is
- March-F 1-10×24 FFP Shorty.
The length of this scope is 213mm (≒8.39 inch)
The weight is 487g.(≒17.18oz)
It has illumination and you will be able to adjust the Side focus from 10yds-infinity.
This will have 56MIL total travel amount for both Elevation and Windage.
Current available reticles are FMC-1, FMC-2, FMC-3.
We may have more new reticle designed for 1-10×24 FFP Shorty.
This scope was developed in association with Gary Costello (March Scopes Distributor / F class champion) and DEON have taken a long time to perfect it. 
Our 1-8×24 Shorty scope is the world’s shortest rifle scope among 8-fold ratio scope.
Now this 1-10×24 Shorty scope is only 3mm (≒0.12inch) longer than our 1-8×24 Shorty scope.

- Shooting 4150m / 2.58 Miles with March Genesis 6-60×56 – Project on French TV

Hard to Break
There is a turning point in every company’s life when potential problems start to emerge as a result of decisions made years before.  It seems that, at about the seven-year mark, customers start reporting the same problems or concerns.
I must admit that, as an early adopter of March scopes, I was conscious that negatives might start emerging about now and these would affect the way I used and viewed the product.  But, to date, and despite some very rough and tumble use of my March scopes in competition and hunting, things have remained spot on for me.
In researching for this review it was surprising to hear that, after close to 10 years of production, DEON Optical Design Corporation based in Nagano, Japan has not found any returned scopes to have point of impact changes due to faulty manufacture techniques.
By way of background, the DEON factory is not a high volume assembly line.  One engineer is able to assemble no more than two March scopes a day due to the amount of hand fitting required to assemble each unit.
Unlike other brands, there is also no plastic used in the construction of the March.  The scope body, for example, is machined from a single piece of aluminium bar stock and all the lenses are glued in.  This makes for a structurally solid piece of equipment that is much stronger and lighter than other methods of manufacture.
Turning very technical at this point, non-existent color distortion is possible because chromatic aberration cannot be completely removed in relation to focal length.  Extra-low dispersion (ED) glass lenses have been specially designed which deliver a large dispersion ratio for a specific short wavelength zone.  With DEON installing ED glass lenses, chromatic aberration is significantly reduced, achieving images with clear colour reproduction, high sharpness and high contrast.
March owners can send their scope back to the factory and DEON are happy to test, dismantle, reassemble and again retest the scope.  DEON will also provide a report on what they find.  But, to date, there have been no mechanical failures detected which can cause point of impact problems.
March optical perfection is also showing up errors in shooters’ loading technique and equipment and, feedback from a number of March users (including this humble scribe) is that reloading practices have had to be reviewed as a result.
DEON have also offered up a practical example. In October 2012, a house fire destroyed an Australian shooter’s firearms collection.  While all the rifles were stored in a safe, the heat from the flames melted lead and plastic parts and destroyed wood and synthetic stocks.  The only salvageable item was a 3 – 24 x 42 First Focal Plane scope.
The March scope was sent back to the DEON to see whether it could be repaired.  Technicians at DEON had not seen this level of damage to any scope before and were expecting to find internal damage from the fire or the water used to extinguish the blaze.
The scope was fully disassembled and all components checked.  No internal damage was found and the March scope required nothing more than a thorough external cleaning to be fully functional.  The anodizing and engraved turrets showed the colour distortion effects from the heat of the fire but otherwise were OK.
Unfortunately, the front and rear lenses had suffered damage as a result of the owner’s attempts to vigorously rub them clean but these parts were replaced



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